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Redwood Times: New group gathers thousands of signatures to convert unused railroad to trail
Wednesday 12 Jan 2011, 03:18
Filed under: Humboldt, Mendocino, NCRA, Northwestern Pacific Railroad, Railroad

New group gathers thousands of signatures to convert unused railroad to trail

Happy Trails podcast said they gathered 5k sig with both counties.

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28 Comments

Nothings ever going to happen on those tracks, might as well turn it into a mountain bike trail. Maybe even allow dirt bikes or ATV’s!

Comment by Anonymous

Actually there is activity on the rails now.

Comment by capdiamont

And there will be more activity on the rails in the future, this spring and summer, and I will be the engineer, brakeman and conductor.

Comment by Carl

trains in 2011, correct? What will they be hauling?

Comment by Anonymous

Down south, they will be hauling freight. Up here, they will be hauling people. Just like they did in 2010, and 2009.

Yet, that is a story the NCJ refuses to print.

Comment by capdiamont

How many people? How often?

Comment by Anonymous

Max fourteen adults including crew on the A&MR speeder, and about the same on the trailer. We depart every half hour when doing our Samoa runs.

Comment by capdiamont

Oh, I thought you were talking about a real passenger train, not some weekend excursion. So is the dream of real rail service all but dead at this point?

Comment by Anonymous

Do you know what a real passenger train is? By law, the proposed tourist train, which will operate mainly on the weekend is a real passenger train. What do you expect out of the speeder runs, which operate with no cost to the public?

Comment by capdiamont

Also we have real passenger cars

Comment by capdiamont

Spreader runs? What’s that?

The NCRA has received millions of public money over the years. And with this investment, all we got is a weekend excursion train that carries 30 people? To Samoa?

When I think passenger train, I’m thinking more on the lines of something that offers an alternative commuter resource to the automobile. Same goes for a freight train. I’ll ask again- is the dream of rail service all but dead at this point?

Comment by Anonymous

There, fixed it, excuse me for being in a hurry.

Millions of dollars public, or private haven’t gone in to the speeder run. I get amused when people talk about millions spent on the railroad, yet turn a complete blind eye towards the money spent on 101. Over 1 billion in projects for 101. Over 800 million for the Navato Narrows project alone.

On the southern end there will be freight running this year.

On the northern end, the tourist train is gaining steam. Since your opinion ignores law, let me bring the opinion of people who have ridden the speeder. They love it. The people living along the tracks love it. The people riding the speeder, often call it a train. It isn’t a train, but at least they don’t have a negative attitude.

The best part of running the train, is to see the children light up, when I have them ring the bell, upon pulling back in.

Comment by capdiamont

If a weekend 3 mile tourist train is the best thing the NCRA can do given all of the millions in public funds it has received, then that’s a shame. And trying to separate the two is total bullshit.

I’m glad the kids love the weekend train. I’m glad there is dedicated volunteers who make it possible. But this does not give any reasons to believe that real rail service will be rejuvenated anytime soon, freight or passenger, in Humboldt County.

The reason why money is not always scrutinized for highway projects is because these roads are used everyday by almost everyone in the County. How many people rely on the railroad? Zero.

And how does my “opinion ignores law”?

Also, where is Navato? You mean Novato?

Comment by Anonymous

Your opinion ignores law due to the fact, a tourist train is a real passenger train by law. Look it up.

Up here, we are lucky to have what we have, due to the environmentalist groups crying over moving gravel a few feet.

NCRA’s plan is to get up to Windsor 1st, which will be running this year. Then to Willits. 3rd Humboldt county area, then if things pencil out, the canyon area. So yes there is a plan.

To say no one uses the railroad, is a lie. As fuel prices rise, more and more freight is being moved by rail due to the higher fuel efficiency.

Comment by capdiamont

The last time the railroad was used was in 1998? Yeah, I’d say zero people rely on this railroad, currently, and for atleast the past 12 years.

And where in the “law” does it say that a tourist “speeder” is a passenger train? Did someone pass a law just for the sake of clarification? Please send me a link to this so-called law.

Comment by Anonymous

I’m considering ending the debate. You are refusing to read what I said, and to take the rest out of context. I said the speeder is not a train, let alone a passenger train. It is however a viable, low cost way to use the rails as they are, minus the vegetation. The tourist train uses a locomotive, passenger cars, and is a passenger train.

Comment by capdiamont

You’re the one that said my opinion ignores the “law.” I really don’t think there is a “law” that states a tourist train is a real passenger train. You say look it up. I’m asking you to provide a link.

Comment by Anonymous

You are the one who seems to ignore even the basic definition of “passenger train”, which is a train which hauls passengers. The tourist train or excursion train uses real locomotives, and real passenger cars. It also has to comply with passenger train rules. It uses all the same personnel jobs. What part do you not understand? If I asked every passenger who ever rode on the NWP since AMTRAK took over passenger service, would say they ridden a passenger train. Yet every one of them rode a specialized version called either a tourist train or excursion train. They were not on a freight train, or mixed train. It was not a virtual train. If I could take a group of school kids down to the Samoa Roundhouse to show them the passenger cars we have now, they would say it was a real passenger train. So that leaves us that it is a real passenger train. What you have been trying to imply is if it is not a commuter train, it is not good enough in your mind.

Comment by capdiamont

The use of the word, “Law” lead to the confusion

Comment by Anonymous

Lay off Cap. He is still taking community college courses. Give him some time before coming to a quick judgement.

Comment by Anonymous

Actually I’m sure it is there. Takes time to wade through the related laws.

Comment by capdiamont

And earned A’s for all classes last semester.

Comment by capdiamont

Maybe one day you’ll graduate from an honest to goodness university

Comment by Anonymous

Did it make you feel good saying that?

Comment by capdiamont

May I clarify something? The Speeder Train has nothing to do with NCRA except permission to use their track. The folks who run the Speeder Train receive no money from NCRA. The Millions you speak of have gone to restore the southern end of the line and pay off lawsuits brought on by Anti-rail interests.

Comment by Theodor Woodings

Wow, such hostility here…. Instead of arguing with cap, how about you look into what Timber Heritage has and is currently trying to do. They are currently gathering equipment to run a short line excursion train. However there are so many people who think that the area of the tracks would be best used by creating trails that would take up more local money to maintain that we currently don’t have. The excursion train could bring tourists to this area and generate some income for our local businesses. Anyone who thinks that is a bad idea doesn’t have a clue. NO ONE will come to this area just to ride a bike along the highway so why not try to work with people trying to better our local economy and give local families something fun to do as well.

Comment by Joshua Woods

Why do you waste your time arguing with children who are only trying to irritate and annoy you? I don’t think anything you could say to people who hold such views would actually be heard. Some people just like to argue…

Comment by Joshua Woods

Thank you for your comment. You are correct, a feasibility study was done several years ago that estimated almost 4 MILLION a year in tourist dollars would be brought into the area by the Tourist Train. This study was NOT done by THA, but by the Humboldt Co. visitors bureau. A bike trail will only cost more and more and bring very little in.

Comment by Theodor Woodings




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